L'Australie à compris

Désolé pour ceux qui ne parle pas anglais

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were
>> told on Wednesday to
>> >get out of Australia , as the government targeted
>> radicals in a bid to head
>> >off potential terror attacks.
>> >
>> >A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders
>> pledged loyalty to
>> >Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with
>> Prime Minister John
>> >Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that
>> extremists would face a
>> >crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir
>> apparent to Howard,
>> >hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to
>> leave the country if they
>> >did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and
>> its laws were made by
>> >parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want
>> a country which has
>> >Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is
>> not for you", he said on
>> >National Television.
>> >
>> >"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there
>> are two laws governing
>> >people in Australia : one the Australian law and
>> another Islamic law that is
>> >false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law,
>> independent courts,
>> >democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the
>> opportunity to go to
>> >another country, which practices it, perhaps, then,
>> that's a better option",
>> >Costello said.
>> >
>> >Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced
>> to leave, he said
>> >those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to
>> move to the other
>> >country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told
>> reporters that
>> >Muslims who did not want to accept local values should
>> "clear off.
>> >Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and
>> who don't want, to
>> >live by Australian values and understand them, well
>> then, they can basically
>> >clear off", he said.
>> >
>> >Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on
>> Wednesday by saying he
>> >supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's
>> mosques.
>> >
>> >Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take
>> It Or Leave It. I am
>> >tired of this nation worrying about whether we are
>> offending some individual
>> >or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali
>> , we have experienced
>> >a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."
>>
>> >
>> >"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled
>> when the 'politically
>> >correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility
>> that our patriotism
>> >was offending others. I am not against immigration,
>> nor do I hold a grudge
>> >against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming
>> to Australia ."
>> >"However, there are a few things that those who have
>> recently come to our
>> >country, and apparently some born here, need to
>> understand." "This idea of
>> >Australia being a multi-cultural community has served
>> only to dilute our
>> >sovereignty and our national identity. And as
>> Australians, we have our own
>> >culture, our own society, our own language and our own
>> lifestyle."
>> >
>> >"This culture has been developed over two centuries of
>> struggles, trials and
>> >victories by millions of men and women who have sought
>> freedom"
>> >
>> >"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese,
>> Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
>> >Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish
>> to become part of
>> >our society . Learn the language!"
>> >
>> >"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some
>> Christian, right wing,
>> >political push, but a fact, because Christian men and
>> women, on Christian
>> >principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
>> documented. It is
>> >certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of
>> our schools. If God
>> >offends you, then I suggest you consider another part
>> of the world as your
>> >new home, because God is part of our culture."
>> >
>> >"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question
>> why. All we ask is that
>> >you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful
>> enjoyment with us."
>> >
>> > "If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like
>> "A Fair Go", then you
>> >should seriously consider a move to another part of
>> this planet. We are
>> >happy with our culture and have no desire to change,
>> and we really don't
>> >care how you did things where you came from. By all
>> means, keep your
>> >culture, but do not force it on others.
>> >
>> >"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and
>> we will allow you
>> >every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are
>> done complaining,
>> >whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our
>> Christian beliefs, or
>> >Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage
>> of one other great
>> >Australian freedom,
>> >
>> > 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."
>> >
>> >"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force
>> you to come here. You
>> >asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

Wolfman" said:

Désolé pour ceux qui ne parle pas anglais

[bQuote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take
>> It Or Leave It. I am
>> >tired of this nation worrying about whether we are
>> offending some individual
>> >or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali
>> , we have experienced
>> >a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."

>> >"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese,
>> Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
>> >Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish
>> to become part of
>> >our society . Learn the language!"

>> >"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question
>> why. All we ask is that
>> >you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful
>> enjoyment with us."
>> >
>> >"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and
>> we will allow you
>> >every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are
>> done complaining,
>> >whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our
>> Christian beliefs, or
>> >Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage
>> of one other great
>> >Australian freedom,
>> >
>> > 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."
>> >
>> >"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force
>> you to come here. You
>> >asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

Merci Wolfman pour le texte :wink:
mais :roll: :roll: :roll: nous sommes bien trop «quenille» pour faire ça ici :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Unfortunatly

yep very :wink:

j'ai seulement lu les 3 premières lignes...
et c'est juste assez pour dire que J'APROUVE!!!

Enfin, y'en a qui mettent leurs culottes...bravo aux australiens [smilie=clappingsmilie.gif]

on dirait bien que du côté des Australiens, les accomodements raisonnables sont un tantinet ....plus..... limité :lol:

c'est bien correct..... il y a toujours moyen de ne pas renier ses antécédents culturels tout en s,adaptant à la culture de l'endroit où tu habites....

en faisant ainsi des efforts d'adaptation.....c'est à ce moment là qu'on s'attire la sympathie et l'intérêt sur nos différences...

à l'inverse , en s'accrochant à vouloir être différents...on s'attire foudre et dépit...qui amène inévitablement au ghettoisme et au racisme intolérant

Le gouvernement de Howard Dean est le seul gouvernement qui reste à appuyer entièrement la stratégie de G.W. Bush en Irak.

Il ne faut pas oublier que l'Australie est aux prises avec une situation terroriste qui est d'une grande importance, avec les attentats sur les sites touristiques de son voisin indonésien, sites très populaires chez les australiens. Des menaces terroristes sont encore aujourd'hui régulièrement faites envers ces sites touristiques. Les observateurs supposent tous que ces attentats perpétrés en territoire indénésiens visent, en fait, les touristes australiens.

Ce pays voisin de l'Australie, l'Indonésie, est en réalité le plus important pays musulman du Monde actuel et est divisé, lui aussi, par des conflits ethniques et surtout religieux. Les mouvements extrémistes y sont nombreux et les populations, tant indonésienne qu'australienne, suivent nerveusement l'évolution de la situation des uns et des autres.

Dans un tel contexte, la réaction du chef du gouvernement australien à une volonté exprimé en faveur de la charia, ou loi islamique, est fort compréhensible, dans les circonstances.

Les positions australiennes s'appuient en bonne partie sur les positions canadiennes dont les différentes instances ont toutes rejeté, dans les dernières années, toute possibilité de règlementation inspirée en tout ou en partie de toute loi religieuse, quelle qu'elle soit. Ce qui inclut la charia.

Hot Legs" said:

Merci Wolfman pour le texte :wink:
mais :roll: :roll: :roll: nous sommes bien trop «quenille» pour faire ça ici :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

C'est pas le mot... " guenille " ! comme peuple on est bien moins que çà !

Désolé ! c'est l'oppinion que j'ai de ma patrie et ses habitants. :(

Goper" said:

on dirait bien que du côté des Australiens, les accomodements raisonnables sont un tantinet ....plus..... limité :lol:

c'est bien correct..... il y a toujours moyen de ne pas renier ses antécédents culturels tout en s,adaptant à la culture de l'endroit où tu habites....

en faisant ainsi des efforts d'adaptation.....c'est à ce moment là qu'on s'attire la sympathie et l'intérêt sur nos différences...

à l'inverse , en s'accrochant à vouloir être différents...on s'attire foudre et dépit...qui amène inévitablement au ghettoisme et au racisme intolérant

Voila!!!!!!


Tout comme la France l'Australie met ses culottes vis a vis les accodement deraisonable, reste a savoir si Harper va suivre le mouvement, lui qui est aussi radicaliste dans son genre.

Rien nous empèchent d'envoyer un petit courriel, en anglais, pour encourager ce dernier, à passer aux actes... lui aussi. Comme ses homologues...